ALEXANDRIA 2009: Primates Avert Schism. "Pastoral Visitors" to aid in Healing
"Gracious Restraint" called for by Anglican Archbishops
By David W. Virtue in Alexandria
www.virtueonline.org
2/5/2009
There will be no formal schism in the Anglican Communion. 35 Anglican Archbishops gathered here in the Helnan hotel on the edge of the Mediterranean Sea weathered a week of intense dialogue with minds unchanged, positions hardened, but with far less acrimony than at previous primatial gatherings.
"People have positioned themselves and they did so with patience," said the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams at a press conference here. "There are deep divisions which threaten and impair communion. I don't think many people have changed their minds, but there has been a willingness to listen and find accommodation for one another. We seek reconciliation, but when and where, God only knows."
There are continued deep differences and disrupted relationships in the Anglican Communion calling for "deeper communion" and "gracious restraint," said a communiqué issued here. The Anglican primates affirmed the recommendations of the Windsor Continuation Group and called for the development of a "pastoral council" and the appointment of "pastoral visitors" to assist in healing and reconciliation given the current "situation of tension" in the Anglican Communion.
Lambeth 1:10 was reaffirmed as the standard for sexual relations within marriage between a man and a woman.
The communiqué released on the final day of their February 1-5 meeting reaffirmed the Moratoria opposing same-gender blessings, cross-border interventions and the ordination of gay and lesbian people to the episcopate. The document was unanimously signed by all the Primates.
The communique also encouraged all parties in the current controversies to maintain "gracious restraint" with respect to actions that could exacerbate the tensions.
The Windsor Continuation group recognized that the Anglican Communion suffers from an "ecclesial deficit" and asked: does the Communion have the necessary theological, structural and cultural foundations to sustain the life of the Communion?
"We need "to move to communion with autonomy and accountability" to develop the capacity to address divisive issues in a timely and effective way, and to learn "the responsibilities and obligations of interdependence," said Williams.
The Primates addressed "parallel jurisdictions" calling the advent of ACNA "a serious and unprecedented development in the life of the Communion."
Williams said that eight different organizations have come together to create "a network based Province" encompassing a variety of geographical and non-geographical associations.
"It is unclear to what extent this new body is seeking recognition within the Anglican Communion. On one level, the leaders of ACNA state that they seek a place within the Communion, but at the same time say that the approval of the Instruments of Communion or recognition by the Archbishop of Canterbury are unnecessary for them to proceed with the formation of the Province. They have sought recognition, however, from the Primates' Council of GAFCON. On the other hand, they include participants who clearly hold to their identity as Anglicans and they have taken the steps they have because they believe that this is the only was to be faithful to the Anglicanism which they inherited."
One line that stood out for this writer was this, "Any scheme developed would rely on an undertaking from the present partners to ACNA that they would not seek to recruit and expand their membership by means of proselytisation".
The communiqué said that the new "Province-in-formation would have to reassure the Instruments of Communion that it does have the "ecclesial density" appropriate to the life of a Province that is more than a loose confederation."
Questioned by VOL as to why the Pastoral Forum called for at Dar es Salaam had not taken effect or been enforced to discipline errant provinces, Williams said the past scheme did depend on The Episcopal Church taking ownership, but that apparently has not happened. VOL pushed the Archbishop citing the case of Colorado Bishop Rob O'Neill who recently ordained a partnered lesbian to the priesthood. Williams acknowledged that the moratoria was "holding badly on both sides, but it was not completely ignored."
An Episcopal News Service reporter asked if a hermeneutics study on sexuality would resolve the problems in the communion. Williams acknowledged as much saying that the Bible and the church project along with the Listening Process would go a long way to resolving problems.
Asked by pansexual agit-prop leader (The Rev.) Colin Coward of Changing Attitude if there was any good news for LGBQT, Williams affirmed the Listening Process of Lambeth 1:10, but he quickly said that the presenting issues were "more about ecclesiology than sexuality. The Listening process has been broadened to include Common Cause. This was supported by both sides."
Williams refused to be drawn into personal issues relating to the defrocking of theologian Dr. J.I. Packer and Bishop Robert Duncan saying he deplores division.
Asked if the Covenant were to fail, would the Anglican Communion then become a federation, Williams said "federation" was a charged word.
Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori told ENS that she is encouraged by the tone of the communiqué, but acknowledged that "the long-term impact of 'gracious restraint' is a matter for General Convention," the Episcopal Church's main legislative body that next meets July 2009 in Anaheim, California.
"We are going to have to have honest conversations about who we are as a church and the value we place on our relationships and mission opportunities with other parts of the communion and how we can be faithful with many spheres of relationship at the same time," she said. "That is tension -producing and will be anxiety -producing for many, but we are a people that live in hope, not in instant solutions, but in faithfulness to God."
Williams told the press that "the spirit of this meeting has been very constructive."
Susan Russell, President of the Episcopal pansexual organization Integrity USA, said she was disappointed but not surprised that the communiqué issued by the primates of the Anglican Communion earlier today repeated the all-too-familiar call for moratoria on the election of bishops in same-gender unions, rites of blessing for same-sex unions, and cross-border interventions.
"There's an American superstition that 'bad things come in threes,'" she said. "Accepting the lumping together of these three issues in one moratoria package would be a very bad thing for the Episcopal Church as a whole and its LGBT faithful in particular."
An electronic version of the primates' communiqué is available here: http://tinyurl.com/ddbrpr
NOTE: VOL had private conversations with two orthodox Anglican primates - one from Africa and the other from the Southern Cone at the end of the conference. We will report on those in detail to you later.
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| GardenSt | Posted: 2009/2/5 22:15 Updated: 2009/2/5 22:15 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/7/26 From: Posts: 154 |
Was there a closing Holy Eucharist, and if so did they all break bread together????
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| Sodslaw | Posted: 2009/2/5 22:22 Updated: 2009/2/5 22:22 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/8/3 From: Orthodox Bunker Posts: 330 |
More double-talk, fudge and deception.
Meanwhile Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again! This is how His church repays the debt! God have mercy upon us! |
| railbirdbc | Posted: 2009/2/6 0:15 Updated: 2009/2/6 0:15 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/6/6 From: Posts: 723 |
Same pile of bull, just a different shovel! Or, to put it another way, "Same old, same old.
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2009/2/6 0:58 Updated: 2009/2/6 0:58 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2046 |
So it was just another paid vacation and Episcopal Jamboree as usual. Nothing will change. The heretics will continue to do what they do with no regard for anyone else.
When will enough be enough??? Personally, I am there. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/2/6 1:08 Updated: 2009/2/6 1:08 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
I'm more inclined to wait and see what develops this summer, if anything at all. In the meantime, the new province, the Anglican Church in America, will officially come into being, when the constitution and first canons are ratified this June.
Now, whether or not we will be part of the Communion is up in the air at the moment, but judging by what I read in the communique under the subtitle "ACNA Recognition Premature," there is to be further study about it. In the meantime, however, we will be functioning. According to Archbishop Venables, "John-David Schofield [of San Joaquin] is a bishop in the Communion." He and other bishops "may have been deposed by the Episcopal Church," 'but the meeting agreed they remain part of the Anglican Communion.' Cennydd |
| Aneirin | Posted: 2009/2/6 2:35 Updated: 2009/2/6 2:38 |
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Apostasy triumphs again.
Just the way it is for Anglicanism in the WORLD. |
| dvirtue | Posted: 2009/2/6 5:56 Updated: 2009/2/6 5:56 |
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There was no closing Eucharist.
Holy Communion was offered at 7am each day but the GAFCON Primates did not participate. Several of the GAFCON Primates did not show up for the the photo op because they did not want to look like there was a united primatial front. There was none. David W. Virtue VIRTUEONLINE |
| perejohn | Posted: 2009/2/6 9:33 Updated: 2009/2/6 9:33 |
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It was nice to hear that the GAFCON Primates did not break bread with Schori.
"Listening" to Schori's infidelity - failure to acknowledge Jesus as the Way, pro abortion stance, the elevation of homosexuality and so called bi-sexuality as normative - is appalling. If I hear no clarification and a clear disavowing of Schori and TEc, I see no Communion, just a "play Church" band of wanna bees. God have mercy on the Anglican "Communion" and may her soul and all the souls of the departed rest in peace. John+ |
| Frgavin | Posted: 2009/2/6 10:40 Updated: 2009/2/6 10:40 |
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Can't help the feeling that this is the same old same old liberal delay tactics.
Thank you for the comments about the GAFCON primates participation since there seems to be a concerted effort to present the idea thats it is almost "happy families' |
| AFS1970 | Posted: 2009/2/6 11:04 Updated: 2009/2/6 11:04 |
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They have avoided schism in name only, if there is a divide (which we all know there is) how exactly is this not a schism?
Now the ABC says the new province can only be recognized if they promise not to recruit anyone else away from heresy. That to me sounds like a promise no Anglican, let alone any other Christian could make. The same rules are now in effect that have been in effect for some time. TEC breaks them as they please, with no restraint or repercussions. Why will it be any different now? By not enforcing rules on TEC, and by further adopting some of the same stances, it seems to me that the CoE is rapidly becoming just as heretic as TEC. At what point will the rest of the communion realize this? The ABC's suggestion that we need communion with autonomy, is simply the dreaded agree to disagree stance. On scriptural matters nothing could be worse. Either you follow scripture or you do not. If you do not, you really can't call yourself a church anymore, can you? I agree enough is enough. However since ACNA seems set to be just as wishy-washy, I am doubtful that the answer lies there. I just wish I knew where the answer would be. |
| JRoss | Posted: 2009/2/6 11:07 Updated: 2009/2/6 12:06 |
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Pray tell. What would a "Pastoral Visitor" do to heal anything? Those who want the visitor still tithe to the heretic church, furthering the false gospel.
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| Pirate | Posted: 2009/2/6 12:35 Updated: 2009/2/6 12:35 |
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It has been an interesting ride, these last few years. Many of us had hoped and prayed for more than just another meeting showing "great restraint" while making no decisions. God bless Duncan, Akinola, Iker and others who try to be orthodox in an apostate church. As for me, though, I'm through. I no longer have the time or patience to fool with the dithering. Adios, y'all!
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| daveball | Posted: 2009/2/6 13:28 Updated: 2009/2/6 13:28 |
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I find this whole thing disappointing in the extreme. Whatever words are used, the net result is the same. TEC has not been tossed out, their heresy is, de facto, endorsed. TEC thumbs its nose at 1.10 and says it will continue to ordain and consecrate queers. More talk. More fudge words like "deeper communion" and "listening process". More fags ordained. More will become bishops. More talk about the "Covenant" which is an absolutely DOA issue. Absolutely no action. The revisionists win. The Africans will get disgusted and go home and do their thing without the west's "help". So what have we really achieved?
ACNA, without overt endorsement and specific doctrinal understanding from the Primates, does not have a chance of being anything but a bunch of fragmented anti gay, but otherwise TEC - lite groups. Without firm commitment to scrap the 1979 today, ban absolutely practicing gays in the clergy, impose moral standards such as no serial monogamy on the rest, a strong stand against abortion, ban WO and get rid of female clerics, without this and more, it is doomed to failure because it will be very little different from what we are trying to get away from. Waiting won't help. Give it a chance? 50 years isn't enough time to correct the root heresies? Robinson was consecrated in 2003 and things have only gotten worse. They will continue to deteriorate. Waiting/more time/discernment/listening are only revisionist tactics to deflect and discourage the orthodox if, indeed, any still exist. Am I discouraged? You bet. I don't see anyone making any headway. I wish I could propose a solution but I'm not that smart. All I see is the continued shattering of the faith in which I have spent all of my 66 years and I'm not the least bit pleased. Lord have mercy on us sinners. |
| doc4sale | Posted: 2009/2/6 13:59 Updated: 2009/2/6 13:59 |
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This communique, this blathering and equivocating garble is virtual "boiler plate" for the AB's position. David has published it quite with tongue in cheek and it must only serve as a calling out to the GAFCON AB's. Clever. But I for one am tired. What is emerging, both in the reforming church and the established one is a religion and faith difficult for me to recognize or embrace. The battle between the Evangelical/Charismatics and the Anglo-Catholics is only now being enjoined and, I am convinced, will become a lasting and pooly dealt with "elephant in the room" forever undermining the formation and flourishing of the new NA Province.... Personally, I'm going to walk down the street soon to the local Roman Parish just to see how it feels. The last thing God needs in this world is another religion. Doc
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| Causidicus | Posted: 2009/2/6 14:01 Updated: 2009/2/6 14:03 |
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Once again, the Primates of the Anglican Communion assembled and deliberated.
Once again, NOTHING HAPPENED. |
| Keble | Posted: 2009/2/6 14:09 Updated: 2009/2/6 14:09 |
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I am surprised that you are surprised
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| doc4sale | Posted: 2009/2/6 14:11 Updated: 2009/2/6 14:11 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/1/1 From: Michigan Posts: 99 |
I have noticed that whenever there are these group pictures...indeed, individual photos as well, that these folks are always smiling as if someone has just finished telling them a great joke. There seems to be a contest of some sort as to who can seem the least affected by the turmoil in the Church or rather who might be most afflicted with the Joy our Lord provides... Who knows? Perhaps Cranmer was smiling broadly as they kindled the flames that consumed him. Doc
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| Causidicus | Posted: 2009/2/6 17:08 Updated: 2009/2/6 17:10 |
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Were I surprised I would have inappropriately used an exclamation point...
Besides, I cannot be surprised at inaction from an organization that is practically demised. |
| Oldtartan | Posted: 2009/2/6 17:10 Updated: 2009/2/6 17:10 |
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There can be no healing so long as the infection and corruption remain in the body.
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| bradhutt | Posted: 2009/2/7 21:45 Updated: 2009/2/7 21:45 |
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This will be the first time in History that people really did talk themselves to death.
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| wmgcarson | Posted: 2009/2/8 4:35 Updated: 2009/2/8 4:35 |
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I have been an ardent Anglican, but only for a few years. I have followed conference after conference, seeking, not decision, but decision to have decision. I'm disgusted. You who have been doing this dance for decades must be utterly disgusted.
After disgust will come rejection of the whole sordid affair. Grant |





















